Gadgets & Tech – "Just a few hours ago I was writing that there was a reason why Digg had censored an article pointing out the HD-DVD Processing Key. While Digg is right to do so, and Jay Adelson has explained the reasons on the Digg blog, this hasn't stopped the Digg community from a full-fledged revolt."
that's exactly what I've done.
The reason for moving has very little to actually do with that hex key, it was due to the way that the Digg moderators operate. Firstly, they aren't supposed to be any moderators and secondly rather than a problem article being listed as being taken down, it simply disappears completely. I don't care if they delete a story for legal reasons, but I do want to know it was deleted.
Crazy indeed.. Really bizarre actually watching an internet revolution. Kevin rose did make a statement, I can't help but to feel sorry for the guy, their site did grow real big real fast. But I think he makes a great statement here.
At this point Kevin might as well just let the stories post and the chips fall where they may. The cat is well and truly out of the bag. Any good lawyer will be able to very credibly argue that it was not only unreasonable to hold Digg responsible for the posts of it's users, it is completely ineffectual since the codes are now irretrievably out on the Net.
At this point he might as well just let the stories post and the chips fall where they may. The cat is well and truly out of the bag. Any good lawyer will be able to very credibly argue that it was not only unreasonable to hold Digg responsible for the posts of it's users, it is completely ineffectual since the codes are now irretrievably out on the Net.
The problem with Digg is that they don't know how to deal with their user-base. You never get an email explaining why a certain story was removed. Every interaction I ever had with the Digg staff was always a really nasty one. At the end of the day we pay for their lunches, but they are treating us really badly...bottom line: I'm glad I switched over to Netscape.
The moderators of Digg are of the Orwelian sort. They delete things and never give a reason because "giving reasons might lead to people figuring out how we do things."
There are two reasons to keep secrets:
1) The secret is so obvious that if it got out everyone would be able to figure it out.
2) To cover up gross incompetence.
sorry to poop on your parade, but netscape doesn't inform you as to why they remove something your write, you'll just see a removed for violation of terms of agreement... And if you think that those terms are well defined and followed your sadly mistaken. A group of friends set up several netscape account and posted things which were clearly against the terms, then a second member reported each one for abuse. Do you think that all those messages were deleted? Nope, some were some weren't it was pretty damned random... Making it even more strange was the fact that one of the screen names was banned, not all just one.... and oddly enough when they do that they never send a email message explaining why the name is banned or offer any method of contesting it. The Orwelians are alive, and living at Netscape.
Sometimes Netscape deletes stuff without even putting up the complimentary "removed for violation of terms of agreement" line. That's when they cross the line from "maintaining the site" to outright censorship.
I would say even removing with the "removed for violation..." statement is still censorship.... They could just put a warning up that required a reader to click on an additional box to read what was "offensive". Its very paternalistic for them to decide that is or is not a violation (offensive). and as I stated, people have tested the system on netscape and it isn't very consistent, what is reported as abusive on one thread and censored is not on another. It was also discovered that people saying things about religion got very different treatment depending on the religion they were slamming, apparently you could slam christianity and suffer no ill effect but slam islam and your comment was quickly banished.
Having been a dedicated Digg user for years, I have to tell you that compared to Digg, the Netscape staff is like a group of kind nuns.
Netscape has its fair share of problems of course, but any site that lets people off the street submit its content would.
I'm not even sure Digg wasn't right about trying to supress this story to begin with, but they way they handle the crowd is so awful that they really deserve the revolt.
On the other hand, this has generated so much traffic for them that it almost feels like they were asking for it.
If this is about big screen televisions there are far too many already.
Electronic stores have 200 models and more. All of this so someone can sit on their couch potato behind for an hour to figure out the chanel of lousy content they want to watch.
This has become a new status symbol like having 50 gadgets for your cell phone or see box.
Where do people get the money for all of this junk?
I feel sorry for them. I also feel sorry that he made a really bad buissness decision and stands to lose a hell of a lot for it.
At the end of the day, he needs to do whats best for the site, and sometimes that's being the bad parent and not letting the masses get whatever they want.
I would suggest that the customer is always right... upset the customer and unless you have a monopoly, you wont have a business.
A simply tack would have been to leave the posts with blanked out numbers. Now they keep the people happier and keep the lawyers at bay.
The customer is not always right, anyone can tell you that.
98% of the time, the customer is really really wrong.
All he's done is set a precedence that if you act like a spoiled child, he will cave in and they will get their way.
You sound like the typical IT person. The fact is the customer is the one paying. You as the provider are at their mercy, now you might not like it but the fact is the customer is always right, only an idiot would suggest that the customer is wrong 98% of the time. Your attitude would be perfect for a communist country, of course we all know where those places wound up.
If my customers were always right, the internet would move faster, the products I sell would be free, and then I could magically show up at their house to wash their car in a bikini.
The customer is not always right, the customer THINKS they are always right, and that is the point at which a GOOD employee or leader will re-educate them.
Again you're just flat out wrong... the customer is right. Everyone would love faster internet and free stuff, I don't know about you in a bikini but from the avatar I think I'll pass on that one.
It is the providers job to give the customer what they want or in the case of free as cheaply as possible. If you don't do it the other guy will (think wal-mart) and you will be broke and the customer will be happier with the other guy.
Surely you aren't so stupid as to believe that you know more about what customer wants than the customer. I think the perfect example of a company thinking they knew better than the customer was Ford giving the world the Edsel.
I shudder to think of anyone being your customer...
I think what both of you say is valid. I work as a project manager, and many times the client knows what they want, however may not necessarily have to power or understanding to articulate it correctly. For that reason the subject matter expert should provide the necessary expertise. I think the 98% issue is a lack of communication from one party to the other--whether they be needs of the customer or limitations caused by the product/process.
What it boils down to is that the customer often has very unrealistic expectations. Of course, the fact the marketing department has been lying to them is often the root of the problem. The sad truth is it is easier to tell the customer what they want to hear to get their business and deal with the consequences later, than to tell them the truth upfront and have them bolt before the sale.
Yes, but then you have to deal with customer satisfaction and company reputation. They usually act as brakes to the truly unethical firms, but not in all cases. If the client feels gypped by the vendor, they don't continue business and word gets out.
Marketing treads a fine line as to how much they can embellish and where they make their assertions. Since I am on the implementation side, I have to fulfill the marketing promises as best possible. The communication, again, is crucial, within the company as between parties.
I shudder to think of anyone being yours.
I am excellent at my job and theres a reason for it.
I shudder to think of a world in which we bend over backwards to people with unrealistic expectations, so I suppose were even.
Almost, there is still one difference... my customers get what they want and are always satisfied... I'm sure yours are always looking for someone better when they leave.
Actually, they aren't.
My customers are loyal to me because I dont blow smoke up their butts.
Considering you seem to claim to be a writer but aren't cranking out book like Stephen King but instead are posting to your own blog... I suspect your not half the pleaser you think you are.
But hey, it takes all sorts in this world and there is even a need for the self absorbed idiot - they give the rest of us someone to laugh at.
:) I write for FHM on and off, I never claimed to be anything.
Writing was more of a hobby that kind of exploded overnight.
You'd be amazed how much people appriciate someone being frank with them. Sometimes it moves mountains.
Id rather be honest and deliver what I promise instead of promising things I couldnt do if I wanted to.
Gee... I would have thought that if your customers were oh so happy with your work that you would be on the staff of FHM... Oh well, I guess we know who's been blowing smoke.
And you might want re-read your last comment, it almost sounds like you finally accepted that the customer is right. ;)
Im welcome to write for them whenever I want to.
Not blowing smoke I have other priorities.
The customer isnt always right.
Alot of people will agree with that, if you dont' thats fine, but it's served me well with buissness.
Your mistake was assuming that 1. Writing is my career and 2. That I want writing to be my career.
I dont want either.
I'm glad to hear that. People should have make a career of something they either enjoy or are really good at... It seems you don't really enjoy it and I think we all know you're not really good at it. :)
Youre entitled to your opinion sweetheart.
Even if you are mean spirited little brat.
Disagreeing with me is fine, but I have really no tolerence for people who feel the need to make everything personal.
So for the sake of my employment, Im bowing out now.
:)
Cheers!
Does netscape delete too?
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I guess it depends on what the desired results are... if you want a censored world where people blabbing about unpopular things are eliminated when yeah, netscape works.
Frankly, I feel netscapes formula creates a very sterile fake environment. The mere fact that I can block someone if I choose should be all the censorship I ever need. Let the people like zeigfeldgirl say what ever they want, if I or someone else is offended by it I'll just click on block and be done with it.... but to block her voice from everyone seems a bit too much... Then again I always believed in free expression, clearly netscape does not embrace that belief.
I couldn't agree more. I guess when you live in a society where adults use hyphenated words in their conversations out of political correctness or fear of offending someone, it is a short trip to further censorship. If someone's post offend me, I have no problem blocking them; I don't need some monitor at netscape making sure that we "play nice".
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